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If you want to organize any kind of meeting or event for forum users, please

1) Start a new topic, specifying time, date and place, in the Living in China forum. If you want
to organize a meet outside of China, put it there anyway. These could be one-off events (ie Beer,
Fri 13th at Wudaokou) or regular (ie 5-a-side footie every Wed at BNU).
2) Make one post in this topic to let people know about it – no discussion though, that should all
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Please make every effort to keep discussion about one event under one topic. Otherwise you run the
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Please add info in this format. If any details aren’t confirmed, say so and edit them in later.

Sept 30, drinks, Houhai, actual time and location TBC

roddy –

2nd Nov, North-eastern Restaurant, Yayuncun Beijing

soulcreeper –

2nd March, West gate BLCU, Beijing.

roddy –

17 March, Corte Ingles Sol, Madrid

simonlaing –

Nanjing, August 21 and Tuesday nights after 8pm at Jimmies American Pizza restaurant, Hanzhong Men
dajie, near the Yes Ba. Drinks, Poker, hanging out. PM if you need directions.

hunxueer –

2 things for chengdu:

1. mandarin support
(like chinese corner, but we’re not calling it that because nobody likes corners)
every saturday 5:30 p.m. @ orange cafe (kehua jie ground floor opposite chuan da hua yuan)
橘子咖啡馆

2. your secondhand life
secondhand market & crafts bazaar, dec. 2 @ jah bar 4-10 p.m.
featuring secondhand goods, handmade crafts, acoustic musical performances, baked goods, and
special wintertime drinks
we’re taking your secondhand donations of clothes, shoes, books, dishes, knickknacks, etc. until
nov. 25. you can drop them off in the boxes at bookworm, cafe panam(e), hemp house, jah bar, high
connections, chengdoo office, dragontown hostel, little house. see www.chengdoo.com for more info.

imron –

Beijing, May 24, 2008. Chinese-forums birthday bash, more concrete details to be announced once
they’ve been decided.

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Where to buy electronic dictionaries
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KungFoo –

I have first hand experience, you CANNOT get the kind of dictionary we would want to use in China.

I am going to buy a palm when I have time, Ill be going to zhongguancun and buying the cheapest
one that will work, less than $100. So it works out cheaper or the same as buying an electronic
dictionary in the end anyway.

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crow610 –

Looks like Amazon won’t ship to China but maybe there is another big online retail site that will.
Your other option is to ship it to someone you know in the US and then have them mail it to you.
Palm does exist in China since they have a site: http://www.palm.com/cn/
but it’s a matter of finding who sells it.

roddy –

Finding Palm sellers in Beijing isn’t too hard. Get on Zol.com.cn, find the model you want and
click on 报价- you’ll get a list of dealers. There are also places at Bainaohui, and no doubt in
Zhongguancun.

Nibble –

Most/all Palm PDAs sold in China are just regular English PDAs with NJStar’s CJKOS (a program to
display Chinese, Japanese, and Korean on Palms) installed on it, so you should have no trouble
using it. You may need to ask the guy you’re buying it from to turn off CJKOS’ localisation
feature so that all your menus are in English instead of Chinese.

galaygobi –

If you’re looking for a dictionary like most of your korean/japanese classmates use, have a look
at the canon wordtank series which feature chinese/english, english/chinese dictionaries
(http://cweb.canon.jp/wordtank/lineup.html). I have the V80, but I believe there are V90 and G90
models out that have more features.

These models feature the same input as said in your initial post by just typing in the full pinyin
for ‘jintian’, plus have a pen for hanzi input.

I got mine off a seller on taobao.com about a year ago. Just e-mailed her and asked her to make an
off-site purchase and she met up in person and exchanged cash/goods.

teachinator –

A Chinese friend (a different one from the one who helped me mistakenly buy the BBG 9288s for $$
at Zhongguancun) has offered to go with me to buy the Palm TX since I’m now so nervous about
making another expensive mistake. He asked how to say “Palm” in Chinese so he can ask around. Can
someone tell me?

By the way, he mentioned buying it at a place called Guomei (that’s the way I heard it, anyway),
which is said is comparable to Fry’s in the U.S. (with Fry’s reputation, that’s actually not such
a compliment) and has a low-price guarantee. So that would be one place to check out.

I agree completely that one of the biggest problems with buying the units sold here and designed
for Chinese speakers is that you can’t enter a compound and get a choice of possible matches, as
the originator of this thread said. The other big problem I’ve encountered with the BBG 9288s is
that it has a TIMEOUT when you’re doing manual character recognition. That is, if you pause for
longer than .X seconds — I think the max may be 1 second — it gives you character matches on
what you’ve written so far. For a Chinese learner who is frantically looking at a character and
trying to get the strokes down, it is maddening to have the computer interrupt you before you’ve
finished writing the character. Palm/Pleco lets you take all the time you want and push a button
when you’re ready to recognize.

I’m also convinced that the 9288s has a bias against manual entry by left-handed people, of which
I am one Sometimes it actually doesn’t see some of my left-handed strokes, resulting in even
more misrecognized characters.

roddy –

Palm in Chinese is 奔迈, ben1mai4.

Guomei, and the similar big electronic retailers such as Dazhong and Suning, did not, last time I
asked, stock PDAs. They do stock handheld organizers and electronic dictionaries, but not fully
functional Palms and Pocket PCs. Won’t do any harm to go in and ask though and your friend may be
more up to date than me.

You might want to show your friend this, it’s a list of quoted prices for the TX (ranging from
2050Y to 2150Y just now). He could perhaps phone around, see who can offer the best deal, and they
will almost certainly deliver and let you check it’s all functional if you don’t want to go out
shopping. If you already know what model you want, there’s little to be gained by leaving the
house. I’ve used these people a couple of times with good results, but they don’t appear to have
updated their website (currently showing 2680Y) for some time. Might be worth a phone call though.

See what extras you can get thrown in for free / cheap at the same time. Screen protectors (get
them to fit these, they’re tricky), a case, extra memory, maybe a spare stylus. Of those, I would
say only a screen protector is essential.

Erikssc –

Thanks for all your answers on this thread. To update you on the Palm TX, two of my friends and I
bought Palm TX’s in one of the big electronic buildings in Zhongguancun a couple of weeks ago.
They were 1.840 RMB per piece. There is not a lot to save by buying more than one as the lowest
they would go if buying only one piece was 1.850. This was the same in several of the shops there
after bargaining for a while. You can choose english OS when you start it up so this is no problem.

The Pleco programme is USD 50 – 120 depending on how many dictionaries you want. I have already
installed it on my Palm and it works perfectly. This is by far the best investment I have done in
a long time. Highly recommended! And stay far away from the normal pocket dictionaries…

Guo Mei shops do not carry PDA’s. Already checked in the one just north of BNU by the 3′rd ring
road.

teachinator –

One more comment as I have been following along in anticipation of replacing my BBG 9288s with a
Palm plus PlecoDict. Quite aside from worrying about bargaining, these are issues I would never
think about when buying in the U.S.

My local friend has told me that when I buy a Palm here in Beijing, the price will differ
depending on whether 1) I’m getting a version that was brought into the country legally or, shall
we say, “unofficially”; and 2) whether I need a receipt with a tax stamp or, um, not. The more by
the books you go, the higher the cost.

I personally want to be sure I am going to be able to bring the device back into the U.S. with me
when I go back in December and that Palm will honor its warranty once I’m back there, so I want
everything absolutely aboveboard. Oh, and I want to pay with a credit card for the extra
protections that affords. Based on that, my friend says I can get the Palm TX through someone in
Zhongguancun whom his company deals with regularly for 2070 yuan. I’m supposed to go buy it on
that basis tomorrow. Fingers crossed for everything going well and no more surprises.

Gee, I’ll miss racing the 9288s to finish writing a character before it “recognizes” it … but
I’ll get over it.

adrianlondon –

Plecodict can also be set to perform a character lookup after a user-definable amount of time.

I use this. I like the race I find that if I can write a character quickly I am more likely to
remember it in future.

Maybe your dictionary can also be adjusted.

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thph2006 –

Can anyone help with this problem?

I’m using zdt 0.5.2 and created a new wordlist in MS Word using the
Traditional[tab]Simplified[tab]pinyin[tab]/definition[paragraph mark] format. The list was saved
as a UTF-8 encoded text file and then imported into zdt.

The before and after lists are pasted below. The first list is the source list (radical list from
the Integrated Chinese course) which was used in the import process. The list imported into zdt
without any error messages but when displayed in zdt there are entries missing and the pinyin
doesn’t display at all for most of the entries. If you edit an individual entry you can see that
the pinyin is actually in the entry in the database, but for some reason it just doesn’t display.
I have a feeling the problem might have something to do with the fact that some of the “definition
field” entries contain Chinese characters. Anyone seen this problem before and/or have a fix for
it?

Note: Even though the second (exported from zdt) list seems to have all the pinyin entries, they
don’t display in zdt. It’s also nine entries shorter than the original list.

—————————————————————————————————-
——–
Original list pasted from MS Word
—————————————————————————————————-
——–
人 人 rén /man, person, people. Radical form is 亻/
刀 刀 dāo /knife. Radical form is 刂/
力 力 lì /power, force, strength/
又 又 yòu /right hand; again/
口 口 kǒu /mouth/
囗 囗 wéi /enclose/
土 土 tǔ /earth/
夕 夕 xī /sunset, dusk/
大 大 dà /big/
女 女 nǚ /female, woman/
子 子 zǐ /son, child/
寸 寸 cùn /inch/
小 小 xiǎo /small/
工 工 gōng /work, labor/
幺 幺 yāo /tiny; small/
弓 弓 gōng /a bow/
心 心 xīn /heart. Radical form is 忄/
戈 戈 gē /dagger-axe, halberd/
手 手 shǒu /hand. Radical form is 扌/
日 日 rì /sun/
月 月 yuè /moon/
木 木 mù /wood/
水 水 shuǐ /water. Radical form is氵/
火 火 huǒ /fire. Radical form is 灬/
田 田 tián /field/
目 目 mù /eye/
示 示 shì /to show. Radical form is 礻/
糸 糸 mì /fine silk/
耳 耳 ěr /ear/
衣 衣 yī /clothing. Radical form is 衤/
言 言 yán /speech/
貝 贝 bèi /cowry shell/
走 走 zǒu /to walk/
足 足 zú /foot/
金 金 jīn /gold; metal/
門 门 mén /door/
隹 隹 zhuī /short-tailed bird/
雨 雨 yǔ /rain/
食 食 shí /eat/
馬 马 mǎ /horse/
—————————————————————————————————-
—–
The same list after being imported into zdt and then exported to a text file
—————————————————————————————————-
——
力 力 lì /power, force, strength/
又 又 yòu /right hand; again/
口 口 kǒu /mouth/
囗 囗 wéi /enclose/
土 土 tǔ /earth/
夕 夕 xī /sunset, dusk/
大 大 dà /big/
女 女 nǚ /female, woman/
子 子 zǐ /son, child/
寸 寸 cùn /inch/
小 小 xiǎo /small/
工 工 gōng /work, labor/
幺 幺 yāo /tiny; small/
弓 弓 gōng /a bow/
戈 戈 gē /dagger-axe, halberd/
日 日 rì /sun/
月 月 yuè /moon/
木 木 mù /wood/
田 田 tián /field/
目 目 mù /eye/
糸 糸 mì /fine silk/
耳 耳 ěr /ear/
言 言 yán /speech/
貝 贝 bèi /cowry shell/
走 走 zǒu /to walk/
足 足 zú /foot/
金 金 jīn /gold; metal/
門 门 mén /door/
隹 隹 zhuī /short-tailed bird/
雨 雨 yǔ /rain/
食 食 shí /eat/
馬 马 mǎ /horse/

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bogleg –

I already sent you a PM on the chinesepod forum but I’ll respond here as well. Your list is using
pinyin with tone marks which the ZDT doesn’t currently support. You’ll need to use pinyin with
tone numbers instead. I’ve also made a change to get rid of most of the restrictions on the
definition field. There should be an upcoming beta build ready tomorrow which will incorporate
this fix.

Chris

thph2006 –

Chris,

It looks like you added a lot of flexibility to the wordlist rules. I can now enter punctuated
text strings in all but the pinyin field. I tried a single-entry test list below:

Traditional<tab>Simplified<tab>Pinyin<tab>/Definition/
請問，你住在哪？<tab>请问，你住在哪？<tab>Qing3wen4, ni3 zhu4 zai4 na3er5
<tab>/May I ask, where are you staying?/

And, here’s the output of the four fields displayed in the word list pane:

請問你住在哪？
请问你住在哪？
wen4ni3zhu4zai4na3er5
May I ask, where are you staying?

As you can see, everything came out perfectly except the pinyin field was stripped of spacing and
punctuation and the first syllable (Qing3) was chopped off. I was able to get ZDT to accept the
first syllable by not capitalizing it. Would it be possible to add support for spacing and
punctuation in the pinyin field as well? I can live without it but it would really be a nice to
have.

Thanks!

bogleg –

If you check out the beta 3 build that I released today, it should fix the issue with the
capitalization. I’m still not sure about allowing arbitrary punctuation in the pinyin field
because it not clear to me yet if that would break things. But I will look into it. The spacing
issue seems to be important to a lot of people, so I will look into it as well.

Chris

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